Discipline 40th Anniversary Edition

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Discipline 40th Anniversary Edition

Messaggio  mrsalzano il Ven Ago 05, 2011 1:32 pm



uscita 3 ottobre 2011

CD:

1. Elephant Talk
2. Frame by Frame
3. Matte Kudasai
4. Indiscipline
5. Thela Hun Ginjeet
6. The Sheltering Sky
7. Discipline

Bonus tracks:

Alt. mixes of The Sheltering Sky & Thela Hun Ginjeet mixed by Steven Wilson.

DVD Content 

Discipline

24/96 MLP Lossless 5.1 Surround DTS|9624 5.1 Digital Surround 

Elephant Talk
Frame by Frame
Matte Kudasai
Indiscipline
Thela Hun Ginjeet
The Sheltering Sky
Discipline

Mixed and produced from the original multi track tapes by Steven Wilson 
Executive producer Robert Fripp
Mastered by Simon Heyworth Super Audio Mastering, Devon, assisted by Andy Miles
24/96 MLP stereo 24/48 LPCM stereo
Elephant Talk
Frame by Frame
Matte Kudasai
Indiscipline
Thela Hun Ginjeet
The Sheltering Sky
Discipline

Original album 2011 stereo mix
Mixed & produced from the original multi track tapes by Steven Wilson 
Executive producer Robert Fripp
Mastered by Simon Heyworth at Super Audio Mastering, Devon, assisted by Andy Miles


Original album 1981, 30th anniversary remaster 

Elephant Talk
Frame by Frame
Matte Kudasai
Indiscipline
Thela Hun Ginjeet
The Sheltering Sky
Discipline
Matte Kudasai (alternative version)


Produced by King Crimson and Rhett Davies

Mastered by Simon Heyworth

Album: Rough Mixes from recording sessions presented in original proposed running order.
Discipline
Thela Hun Ginjeet
Matte Kudasai
Elephant Talk
The Sheltering Sky
Frame By Frame
Indiscipline

These mixes date from the end of May 1981 and were prepared by Rhett Davies. The tape was almost certainly made as a “listening copy” prior to the full mixing stage. The tracks were assembled in Robert Fripp’s then preferred running order. The other point to note is the use of a far greater level of reverb than was applied to the final mix. Again this would have been a decision made by Rhett at the time and the levels applied were standard for the period. The fact that they sound so good – even in relatively unmixed form – is indicative of both the quality of the performances & the engineering. More generally, the early 1980s represented the dawn of an era when recordings can almost be carbon- dated to the year by the increased levels of reverb applied in each succeeding 12 month period, possibly to offset the limitations of then emerging digital technology. Robert Fripp’s decision to issue a final mixed album with minimal discernible reverb made “Discipline” stand out even further from the crowd. The rough mixes provide a suitable alternative. True to the spirit of the original ¼” tapes, the transfers were subject to no further mastering other than some noise reduction and a slight pitch correction applied at DGM by Alex R. Mundy.

Produced by King Crimson and Rhett Davies
24/48 LPCM Stereo
Additional Tracks
A selection of Adrian’s vocal loops
The Sheltering Sky (Alternate mix – Steven Wilson)
Thela Hun Ginjeet (Alternate mix – Steven Wilson)
The Terrifying Tale of Thela Hun Ginjeet
Elephant Talk 12” Dance mix

A small sample of Adrian’s vocal loops for the original album open this section followed by two Steven Wilson alternate mixes – including an instrumental version of ‘Thela Hun Ginjeet’ from the 2011 mixing session. ‘The Terrifying tale of..’ was assembled by David Singleton & Alex Mundy at DGM for the 2008 US tour-box CD & consists of a talk given by Robert Fripp at a Warner Bros. US sales meeting in NYC in 1981 outlining events, followed by tape of Adrian Belew from London’s Basing St. studios reliving events, followed by a blistering live take of the song from Philadelphia, PA in 1982. The 12” dance mix was issued as a radio promo in the USA.

Video Section
Selections from The Old Grey Whistle Test
Elephant Talk (recorded live at The Venue, October 1981)
Frame By Frame
Indiscipline
Elephant Talk
2-4 recorded at the BBC, March 15th 1982, introduced by Anne Nightingale

For some unknown reason, the studio recording of ‘Elephant Talk’ was grafted on to the live performance of the BBC film. It’s possible that the audio recorded at The Venue proved unusable.

Music by King Crimson, elephantosity by Belew

Published by UMG Music Ltd.

DVD Design & Layout by Claire Bidwell at Opus Productions Ltd

DVD Authoring & Assembly by Neil Wilkes at Opus Productions Ltd

DVD QC testing by Jon Urban, Bob Romano, Bob Squires, Tim McDonnell & Chris Gerhard 

Audio tape transfers by Kevin Vanbergen at FX Copyroom
Video Tape Transfers by DGM tape Archive: Alex Mundy 

Package Art & Design by Hugh O’Donnell 

Compiled & Coordinated by Declan Colgan for DGM, with input & suggestions from Sid Smith & Steven Wilson
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These mixes date from the end of May 1981 and were prepared by Rhett Davies. The tape was almost certainly made as a “listening copy” prior to the full mixing stage. The tracks were assembled in Robert Fripp’s then preferred running order. The other point to note is the use of a far greater level of reverb than was applied to the final mix. Again this would have been a decision made by Rhett at the time and the levels applied were standard for the period. The fact that they sound so good – even in relatively unmixed form – is indicative of both the quality of the performances & the engineering. More generally, the early 1980s represented the dawn of an era when recordings can almost be carbon- dated to the year by the increased levels of reverb applied in each succeeding 12 month period, possibly to offset the limitations of then emerging digital technology. Robert Fripp’s decision to issue a final mixed album with minimal discernible reverb made “Discipline” stand out even further from the crowd.

Interessante...in effetti per il minimo utilizzo di reverbero fatto, "Discipline" era proprio una mosca bianca nel panorama degli anni '80.
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remasters

Messaggio  exiles73 il Ven Ago 05, 2011 1:54 pm

E' molto confortante attendere due mesi per poter acquistare Discipline e Starless and bible black rimasterizzati.Speriamo che si continui con Beat,Three of a perfect pair e Thrak,ma almeno nel formato dvd potevano includere due bonus,come fu per i Genesis remasters anni fa, e cioè:un "Making of...! e interviste con commenti da parte dei musicisti che hanno preso parte alla realizzazione degli album; qualche video d'archivio.|| Credo che la DGM ne abbia molti.

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Re: Discipline 40th Anniversary Edition

Messaggio  mrsalzano il Mar Nov 01, 2011 3:29 pm

Un commento anche su "Discipline 40th Anniversary", la musica nuova dei Crimson anni'80.
E' sicuramente uno dei più interessanti da ascoltare in DTS. In particolare i tre brani di rock-gamelan ("Elephant Talk", "Frame by Frame" e "Discipline") e l'etno-ambient di "The sheltering sky" vengono esaltati. Ascoltare l'intreccio di chitarre nei canali frontali, quello stick-percussioni in quelli surround e subwoofer ed il canto o il guitar synth di Fripp in quello centrale è un'esperienza!
A parte però il nuovo surround mix, Il pacchetto degli extra è meno interessante di altre uscite DGM. A differenza di "S&BB" non ci sono brani live inediti o estratti dalla serie Collector's Club. Forse perchè registrato di getto dopo un breve tour mancano alternate takes. C'è solo la versione originale su Lp di "Matte Kudasai", che evidentemente a Fripp e Belew non piaceva più tanto da sostituirla con un'altra nel 1989.
Fra i remix, una rarità filologica è Il mixaggio provvisorio dell'album fatto da Rhett Davies (con una sequenza iniziale dei brani, pensata da Fripp, che partiva dal rigore di "Discipline" per arrivare al caos di "Indiscipline") che, con un maggior uso del riverbero, era sì più in linea con la moda del periodo (non siamo al livello degli Asia ma quasi).
Altre curiosità: "The Terrifying Tale Of Thela Hun Ginjeet" (già apparso nel 40th anniversary tour box, è il racconto fatto da Fripp e Belew dell'incontro/scontro di quest'ultimo con una gang di NY - in parte campionato ed inserito nel pezzo - seguito da una versione live del brano - Philadelphia 1982), un promo di "Elephant Talk" rimixato per la radio americana ed alcuni di vocal loops di Belew alla "Music for Airports" registrati per "The Sheltering Sky".
A chiudere i video dell'Old Grey Whistle Test del 1981 che, sebbene non inediti, sono stati ottimamente restaurati dalla BBC: sul palco Belew "bello in rosa" con ciuffetto alla Macario, Bruford in divida da Bowling, l'Highlander Levin (che è sempre uguale da 30 anni) ed un inappuntabile Fripp sbarbato e, per una volta, sorridente.
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